Off to the Valley

Nitin Pachisia: If you could tell
someone immigration is not going to be

the reason you can't build your company.

It could be many other reasons
your company doesn't succeed.

Immigration is not going to be that.

Light bulbs go on and the
opportunities that open up are

beyond what we can imagine, right?

So it's all about just giving
brilliant people the opportunity.

Prateek Panda: Hello and welcome
back to Off To The Valley, a podcast

that brings to light the incredible
stories of those who left the

familiarity of home for new horizons.

I'm your host Prateek Panda, always
curious and eager to share this

journey of courage and determination.

Today we are delighted to have
Nitin Pachisia here join our

podcast, a perfect example of
the values and spirit we cherish.

Now Nitin's journey has been interesting
from India to the U.S and it's been

a more than just a geographical
transition, it's a testament to his

resilience and entrepreneurial spirit.

Growing up in a one room house in India,
he moved to the US in 2005 to start his

own company, navigating the challenges
of immigration and the startup ecosystem.

As the founder of, Unshackled Ventures,
Nitin supports immigrant founders

by providing financial backing, but
more often than not, you would have

heard me say that there is more to
a VC than just money and Unshackled

brings a lot of essential services
like immigration, securing leases,

helping you with credit cards, and so
many other things that you have to deal

with as you move to a new country as
an immigrant, especially as a founder.

Nitin, it's a pleasure
to have you on the show.

Nitin Pachisia: It's great to meet you.

Prateek Panda: All right let's
get started right off the bat.

Tell us a little bit about your journey.

You've had humble
backgrounds back in India.

What encouraged you to move to the U.S?

Nitin Pachisia: You're right.

You've done your research.

I grew up in Delhi in a family
where the earliest memories are

of being poor, but also optimism.

And a lot of that optimism came from
my Dad started a small business and you

know with that effort and the results,
It was every day better than the previous

day so much that at some point he could
afford to get me to a private school.

We became homeowners at one point.

A lot changed in our life just
in my first 20 years of living.

And all of that was in Delhi.

Once I finished my undergrad and
I also did chartered accountancy,

the CPA equivalent which I never
intended to practice accounting,

but it was what everyone in my
family who studied had to do.

I looked for a job that would make
me travel, cause I was really curious

about what I don't know about the world.

And that opportunity came through
with ABB, which is a heavy

engineering company like Siemens.

So I was there for three years.

Still wasn't really decided
that I'm moving anywhere.

It was more exploration.

And the next stop in that
exploration was with Deloitte.

That's how I came to the
U.S for the first time.

I'm very fortunate that I landed in
Silicon Valley, which instantaneously felt

like this is where I would want to be.

A lot of my personal values really aligned
with the values that the Silicon Valley

ecosystem, the diversity in the people,
the access to opportunity, the openness

to try things and if it works great, if it
doesn't work, it's a learning experience.

That was very unique that I had not
experienced anywhere else in the world.

And so that kind of
became the reason to stay.

So yeah, it was an unplanned move just
being open to exploration and discovery

and when it felt like home, made that bet.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

And it's that the feeling of home is
important, especially as you leave your

homeland and move to a new country.

And you've been here almost 20 years
now, as a founder today, who's planning

to move to the U.S, what do you think
has changed in these last 20 years?

If you can recollect, What you had to go
through and what the situation like it

was in 2005 versus what it is for a lot
of founders that you are backing now.

What do you think has changed?

Nitin Pachisia: I wouldn't claim to
know everything that someone moving

today is going through, right?

So things are changing really fast.

And I talked to some people who moved to
the U.S and say, seventies or eighties.

And that immigration experience was
very different compared to what I went

through in the early two thousands.

And so I'm very sure that today's
challenges and advantages are different.

One of the advantages I see is connecting
to people, access to communities is

much easier because of how virtual
digital communities have grown.

And so I think that's a huge
advantage today versus, go roll

back 10, 15 years, your network
started with the school you came to.

Or the company you came to work at.

That was the seeding of your
network, however, and then when you

decided to, okay, I want to be an
entrepreneur, you could go to meetups.

You could physically go to certain
places, which obviously was a

disadvantage if you're not in
the Bay Area or New York City.

Today, that disadvantage kind of levels
out a little bit, you could be in Madison,

Wisconsin and you could be part of.

A community with founders who are
based in Silicon Valley and New York.

And yes, it's not the same experience.

It's not the same velocity, but you're
benefiting from connecting with people

such that when you want to go visit
San Francisco or New York, you have

people, And so I think it's become a
little bit easier for entrepreneurs

to who want to take that initiative to
do that, but i'm also very sure there

are some new challenges that come with
that, which I am not the best person

to talk to because the environment in
which I made that move was different

Prateek Panda: So what was the idea
behind starting Unshackled Ventures?

Nitin Pachisia: To be honest, it was
an idea that I was sharing with VCs

that I was pitching my company to so I
joined a startup after Deloitte and

then came across an idea with a couple
of friends that we were moonlighting.

And then, our internal agreement was
when we have three paying customers, that

would be the proof of there's velocity
there's something here, it's Lex to this

idea, and then we should go full time.

So when I hit that point.

Is when attorneys told me you can't do it.

You're on H1B.

Somebody needs to be your sponsor.

And so the VCs who were interested
in investing in us, I was asking them

to do what we now do at Unshackled,
but the consistent answer was

we're not structured to do that.

And, in, in my brain, it was
it's not that difficult, right?

Employment has existed for a long time.

Employment based sponsorship for
immigration has existed for a long time.

I'm not asking anyone to invent
anything, but I try to understand a

little bit more and could understand,
okay, funds have their operating systems

and operating structures, and if they
were to start doing this, there's some

back office that needs to be developed.

There's some processes
that need to be developed.

And so the personal experience of being
on a visa, trying to start a company,

facing the friction and knowing what
that solution could be, but nobody's

willing to implement it became
the reason to implement it, right?

And so I'm very candid with when
talking to our LPs, for example, like

I didn't invent anything, employment
existed, immigration existed, investing

existed, I just put them all together.

And then, assembled a team that could
execute on that better than anybody else.

And the first person on that was
my business partner, Manan and

he and I had worked together.

His parents came to the U S in the
seventies and I get to hear from

them the experience of what it was
like moving here in the seventies.

But Manan, and even though he's a
naturalized U.S born citizen, he

had a co founder who was on NH1B.

So he went through the same slowdown
and the same frictions that I did.

So when I shared with him the concept he
was he was really energized by it and in

that process, I couldn't think of a better
person to compliment me both in terms

of skill sets and analytical frameworks.

And so that's how the team came together.

So I think the the impetus was really
just how big of a problem this is.

And.

If solved, what could it do, right?

You look at the talent that's trapped
into big companies or academia, just

waiting for their Green Cards because
that's a big unlock if you could

give them the confidence and Prateek
you were sharing your story with me.

If you could tell someone immigration
is not going to be the reason

you can't build your company.

It could be many other reasons.

Your company doesn't succeed.

Immigration is not going to be that.

Light bulbs go on and the
opportunities that open up are

beyond what we can imagine, right?

So it's all about just giving
brilliant people the opportunity.

And that was enough of a of an
incentive to drop the idea of building

software companies and instead shift
to building this services company.

And I can't tell you how
good of a decision that was.

Prateek Panda: Yeah, I think, what
you're doing is truly amazing and

I want to add some context here for
all the listeners because we have so

many people who probably don't even
understand why this is a challenge.

And it's only if you've really been
through this, you truly understand

the pain and I can go on for hours
and days talking about this because

it affects your personal life also so
much that it becomes hard to plan it.

It becomes hard to figure out how
you want to do things while also

figuring out, okay, yeah, you want
to start a company and you want to

build and grow the company, right?

At the back of your mind,
you're always thinking about

a lot of these things as well.

And what I like is your mission that says,
like immigration is not going to be the

reason why you feel that, Hey, I can't do
this because if I go back to my journey,

one of the biggest reasons I moved away
from my startup was I struggled to get

a visa with my startup back in 2017.

It was a lot harder.

We didn't have as much traction to show.

There was not a playbook for getting
a variety of these visas, which

is better defined today, I think.

But that was one of the reasons
for me to, now it was like, I

have to go find an employer.

Otherwise I'm out of status
and I have to move back.

And by that time I had my partner here
and like we couldn't afford to just

uproot ourselves so that's been you
know, the core thesis of all this.

What do you hear from the
founders that you are backing?

And one of the things that I keep telling
very frequently also, like in my early

days as a founder, like when I started
my first company, I was in my twenties.

I was really giving the most importance
to which VC writes the biggest check.

Over time, I have learned that, money is
a commodity and there are a lot of people

who can give you money, but there's a lot
more that you need from a VC, a good VC.

And you talked about immigration.

Is there something else that you
are working with your founders as

they come assimilate in a new world?

Nitin Pachisia: Look, I would
ask you what you think is the

one thing a VC could offer that
would want you to work with them.

Prateek Panda: I think, if you
are a relatively early career

founder, which means that You've
not been in the industry too long.

You don't have as many connects I think
the biggest value add is getting access

to a network or an ecosystem because
when I go back, right now I think i'm

in a much more privileged situation
where I know a few people who know many

people, and who would you know, do me
the favor that hey, yeah, we'll make the

introduction but when I moved here in
2017, I knew nobody, literally nobody

and that was the toughest thing, right?

Like how do you even start

Nitin Pachisia: Let me
follow that through.

What does access give you?

Prateek Panda: More opportunity
to grow your business faster is I

think what you get with the access.

It gives you,

Nitin Pachisia: I think if you're
building a great company, though, you

would reach most of the investors that
we would introduce you to yourself too.

You have the hustle, you're
building a great company, assemble

a great team, you're executing.

You'll reach who you need to reach, but
what that access or those introductions

give you is time saved you time.

In my opinion, as a founder
and now as an investor, who's

also a founder of his firm.

The one thing that is irreplaceable
by anything is founder's time.

So to me, any VC's purpose of
being on a cap table should

be amplifying founder's time.

There are many ways to do it.

It's not any one specific service.

Different people will
do it in different ways.

Sometimes their brand is so large that
their name being on your cap table

makes you the magnet and it saves you
a lot of time, which otherwise you

would spend reaching to people, which
now they are reaching out to you.

And other times it's really solving
for things that you would do yourself,

but you don't have to, as a founder.

Immigration is one of those things.

When we started, most operating firms
or VCs that were started by operator

turned VCs focused a lot on recruiting.

Because that used to take
a lot of founder's time.

There were firms that were
specializing in design, business

development, corporate development.

There's these functions that companies
and founders have to do at different

stages, but VCs could augment that effort
and therefore save people time, right?

So, our philosophy coming from
that founder mindset has been,

whatever we do should amplify
our portfolio founders time.

Obviously our starting point was
immigration and the way immigration

amplifies a founder's time is either,
you don't have to become an expert and

go through learning about immigration
and trying to find an attorney and

then figuring out what the structure
of your company needs to be, who needs

to be the sponsor of the board and
I've heard things like changing equity

structures and, founders will give
away their own equity in their company.

All that BS effectively, you
don't have to spend your time on.

If you have a partner who can, who
you can rely on and trust, they

know what they're doing, and they
will take care of immigration.

The other way it amplifies time is, A lot
of people just wait, I'm working at Apple.

I'm gonna wait here until
I have my Green Card.

When I get my Green Card
is when I'm gonna move.

And that's that's time that
is never gonna come back.

So we take a lot of pride and put a
lot of thought in how will we amplify

the time of people we're working with?

And every company we invest in
has one foreign born founder.

So now we start looking at
starting point is immigration.

What else does that particular journey of
being born somewhere else, and then coming

to US entail, and it really came down to
access being a very important part of it.

So that was the next thing that
we focused on was simplifying or

making it faster to get access to
the people who you want access to.

Investors as one group, customers, talent
that you need to hire, it's effectively

access to people who will make it
easier for you to move faster, right?

Investors are part of that pool.

And so we started building a really large
network and now it's become a community.

And the third piece there is
the transfer of knowledge.

The fastest founders are
very curious, great learners.

The more you can accelerate
transfer of knowledge to them, the

faster they will learn and grow.

And so this is where we started building
this community, which we made public

earlier in the year which is not just for
our portfolio founders, but goes beyond.

So now today, if you look at what we
do, it's a combination of Immigration,

Community and Capital and those
three things and capital as

friends and family capital, right?

Because that's the other part
of the learning is we all moved

as adults or young adults.

And we left our friends
and family back home.

So there is no friends and family
capital access for most immigrants who

come to the U.S for school or work.

And so the combination of those three
things is worth all of our efforts.

Stay focused on

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

Thanks so much for
explaining that so deeply.

Let me ask you this, and I have a little
bit of a selfish interest there as well.

You raised your first fund was 5 million.

The second fund was 25.

How do you go.

20?

Okay.

So how do you go from not having
any VC background or experience

to raising your first fund?

Nitin Pachisia: I think our
first fund was purely story, like

literally you're absolutely right.

And I was reminiscing about this.

I was once on a bus with 20 other
VCs who were all much larger funds

than ours and much more accomplished.

And I was looking around and I was
asking myself, why am I on this bus?

Don't belong on this bus.

And I think that imposter syndrome still
shows up at some points but it's reduced

a lot because now I know we have product
market fit, what we're doing, nobody

else can do better than what we do.

And but that wasn't the case
when we started our first fund.

However, that fundraise
wasn't that difficult.

We plan to raise three and a half
million as a proof of concept.

We can invest in 15 companies and
prove that this model can work.

And we started with people we
knew, people we'd worked for.

Startup that both Manan and I met at,
we went to the founder, some of our VPs.

Manan's and his dad had been
an angel investor for 20 years.

He refused to invest in Manan's and his
company and wanted to invest in my company

because his co founder wasn't full time.

But we started with a small group
of people who knew what we can do,

how we can execute, and then just
pursued the networks from there.

Included in that were some cold emails
to, for example, Bradfeld, who we knew

is passionate about solving immigration.

He really believes in the power
of immigration to maintain

the American advantage.

And so a cold email to him worked
and then he opened his network.

So we just kept pursuing the network
of people who were believing in us.

And as we started proving that, I think,
going to the second fund of 20 million,

we started thinking about, okay, now we
need, more than just early believers,

we should start thinking about some
institutions and that journey continued

with our third fund where 73 percent
of the capital came from institutions.

So there's been maturity in the capital
base, but, to your question of how,

it's just hustle and storytelling and,
Mannan and I laugh at some of our decks

from 2014 and 15 and how ugly and stupid
they are, but that's what existed then.

And that's what made people believe
in us, which is no different

from how most startups go, right?

Like most founders will look back
at their decks from five years

ago and have a laugh at them.

But that's all we had was story.

We had no track record.

But I think the story of who we
could unlock was the point to

where our LPs or investors met us.

If you can really unlock people who
have ambition, talent, and they could

now join the entrepreneurial pie and
they could be building companies.

These are people we want
to invest in as well.

So why don't you enable them and then
we'll come downstream and invest in them?

Prateek Panda: Talking about story
you invest in fairly early stage

companies, even idea stage companies.

Are you really betting at
that point on that story?

Nitin Pachisia: We're not investing
in companies to be honest.

And we're not investing in the
story of a company or a product.

We're investing in the story of a founder.

And we prefer investing
pre product pre revenue.

Inception stage is a
phrase that's being used.

And this is the point at which we think
we can add the most value because when

a founder has done customer discovery,
has found the conviction that they should

now dedicate years of their life into
this and we can come in and enable,

take away that immigration pain point,
enable them, bring them into a community

and make it faster to do the rest of
the zero to one step is where we find

ourselves to be most valuable to founders.

So we like to stay focused
there in that swim lane.

And I also personally think that's
a stage where we can focus entirely

on the person and not have to deal
with, Oh you have two customers or

two pilots and what are they saying?

Seed investors do that work really well
on how they take those early signals

to extrapolate what it could be.

Our focus really stays on, Prateek,
what's your distance travel?

Like tell me your life story and I just
had every day I have these conversations

with founders and the rest of our team
and we just learned so much about founders

for where they were born, the crazy
steps they've taken in their life to get

to where they are today because where
they are today, wasn't on the cards for

around their birth conditions, right?

And so learning those, the effort, the
grit, the decision making, judgment,

risk taking, curiosity, resourcefulness
of how they've used what little

they had to get to where they are.

It's amazingly informative, and
that's what gives us the confidence

that this person's not going
to settle for something small.

They're going to keep swinging, and
they're going to go for home runs,

whether it's the first company,
second, third, fourth, we don't

know first idea or fifth idea.

Um, the idea is let's
just enable the person.

If they are a high upside person
with high opportunity cost, high

ambition, It's worth working with
them and it'll be a lot of fun.

And most of the companies are
doing something very different

from what they started with, right?

What they were pitching, but they
we don't get caught up in the idea.

We actually like to learn
okay, why this idea?

Why do you think this is
the best use of your time?

And it informs us a lot more
on their way of thinking.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

And how do you go about doing
these founder discoveries, right?

When something doesn't exist, people
don't talk about it, of course which

means finding that kind of talent is
like looking for a diamond in the rough.

Typically founders come to you or are
you doing some kind of scouting as well?

Nitin Pachisia: It's both.

It's, are the effort we put in is to get
as close to founders as we possibly can.

When I come to Charlottesville,
I take that opportunity to

meet with founders in UVA.

Who UVA has 8 percent
international student enrollment.

And so whatever I can do, I will make
my steps and everyone on the team

operates the same way is wherever we
go, we know immigrants are everywhere.

And the ecosystems or the magnets for
the community are schools and employers.

So we make the effort of not just where
we go, but also intentionally going

to places where we can meet founders.

And so the idea is not to go look for.

Are you raising right now?

The idea is to go meet people, tell
them, inform them of what we do, give

them the pathway because, the narrative
of you're on a visa, you can't start a

company is that misinformation is so far
spread, that that's our biggest enemy.

So the idea of going out and meeting folks
is to address you can, that part is bs.

And if I were to tell you today
that your visa is not going to stop

you, what would you start doing?

And then three months from now, that
same person comes back with, I met you at

this event and you told me I can do it.

And I started doing customer discovery.

And now I have something or it
could be three years later, right?

But that's what energizes us is that
You can actually see it in the eyes.

Like when for example, I
was at Syracuse a month ago.

It was a small group, 13, 15 people,
but you could just see the eyes light

up when you tell them you're on F1.

Great.

Half our portfolio came to the U.S on F1.

And we invested in many founders
before they had even graduated.

You can do it.

So the goal is go where people are
and the community, one big part

of creating the community has been
the reservoir of relationships.

So we, over the 10 years, we've
met thousands of founders.

I know my limitation.

I cannot keep up with a thousand, many
thousands of relationships, but the

community becomes a really nice way
of bringing people together, not just

close to me, but close to each other.

So our team is pretty small.

The six of us, there's no way we can
keep up with 20,000 founders, but

in the community, it's self serving.

Founders are collaborating with each
other, ideating, providing feedback

to each other opening doors and
sharing knowledge that they have.

One person might be an expert at pricing.

Another is an expert at coding.

And, they're coming together on.

Okay, you're building this SaaS product
and trying to do price discovery.

Here's how you can go about doing it.

That magic is happening in the community.

I think over time we will see more
and more people wanting to be in this

community that then leads to teams
forming and raising money selling

to people within the community.

I think if we do this right,
the community becomes a fully

functioning ecosystem of its own.

Prateek Panda: Yeah, I think having
that community is super helpful

especially because it gives you a
lot of confidence that if somebody

else has done it, you can do it too.

Even though you know it, a lot
of times you need that sort

of revalidation, so to say.

I'm going to switch gears a little bit and
ask you something a little more personal.

I think it comes from, I would say, Asian
backgrounds where irrespective of how

or what interesting work we do, there's
always a challenge to make your parents

know that you do something meaningful.

And it's hard for them to understand.

And I read your story somewhere where,
your dad asked you like how do you make

money or when do you even make money?

And I remember my first startup days and
my dad really just thought I waste my

entire day in front of a computer, don't
make any money, which I mean, it was some

part of it is true that I didn't make much
money back then, but for me, the reality

in their eyes shifted when the first time
I appeared on the Times of India, which

is like a leading newspaper in India.

And then eventually appeared on TV and a
lot of times I tell other founders that

if you struggle to get validation from
your parents, like whether you have a PR

strategy or not, show up on a few articles
and then they think that, Oh yeah, our

kid is doing something meaningful because
they're on TV or they're in the press.

How is that for you?

I know you, you talked a little bit
in one of your articles that, your Dad

didn't really understand what you do.

And you want to still make them feel
that you do something meaningful.

Nitin Pachisia: Yeah.

I think it's such a fascinating part
of such a fascinating layer, right?

Most of the people we work
with are very cerebral.

They're deep thinkers.

They're, technologists but, they
all have this kind of hidden need

to impress their parents, right?

And that comes from all of it
comes from a place of love I think.

Like parents care about us so much
because, I remember like growing up,

my dad did not want me to run his small
business because he thought I'm smart.

I can study, I can get degrees.

And therefore his thought process was
you can run this business, but this is

not going to give you a great lifestyle.

Get your degrees and you
can get a great lifestyle.

And I think it's the same.

The reason I didn't tell my parents for
years that I had left my job and started

a company was because out of care,
they would be really worried, right?

I'm in a new country.

How am I paying my bills?

And I think as a parent you at least
my parents, It doesn't matter how

old I am and how mature I am and
how like from when I was 15, I was

taking care of the family and stuff.

I'm still their child.

And I feel that affinity with a lot
of the founders where we're all like

that, or a lot of our parents really
think that they need to take care of us.

And for me, it was more just getting
to a point of sustainability and

then I could tell them, look, okay,
I took this step, but don't worry,

I'll be able to take care of myself.

The family's going to be fine, we're okay.

But the validation point is funny.

Like when we raised our first
fund, we were in many papers

in the U.S and India whatever.

That made zero impact on my parents.

And so I was like, okay, I guess
they are just tough to impress.

Being in a paper isn't anything.

Then we raised our next fund and
we were in the Fortune Magazine.

It was some special issue.

That didn't impress my
parents, or Forbes Magazine.

That wasn't that impressive.

But the NASDAQ thing, the Times
Square presence was impressive.

I guess you just can't tell what
kind of validation is important, but

it all comes from a place of care.

And I think this is the fun of
the kind of relationships that we

have is we can all appreciate with
a lot of us immigrants, right?

So I'm in my 40s now.

Most of my peers who are in the 40s
will have parents that are in 70s

and they're in the home country.

How do we take care of them, right?

What can we do?

They're aging, they've, medical needs,
someone to, to take care of them,

and we've built great lives here, but
I am not a citizen yet, so I cannot

sponsor them and bring them here.

Also, they don't want to be in the U.S.

They have lived their
entire life in India.

They don't want to leave that circle.

And that's common across
a lot of the immigrants.

So that affinity of the common
things that we're going through.

I don't want to call them challenges.

We all made a conscious decision
that we're going to leave

our country and move here.

They're not challenges.

They're just conditions of
our existence now, but they're

common across many people.

And this community helps give us
room to share our fears and concerns.

And also, if someone has solved for it,
I can now learn from their experience.

And to the extent it's relevant to where
my parents are and their conditions,

I can use those resources as well.

I'm really excited about the community
and what it can do because of the unique

conditions that being an immigrant brings
on our lives are only we will know.

I don't think my kids
will know what this is.

They will have their own set of
concerns and their own set of

challenges that they will overcome.

Ours are just different.

Prateek Panda: Yep, I
think that's spot on.

Nitin one last question before I let
you go if you had the opportunity to

have lunch or dinner with Somebody
that you've been looking forward to

who would that person be and why?

Nitin Pachisia: If I could, I would love
to have a meal with President Barack

and his wife, Michelle Obama, together.

I think their story is so phenomenal, and
from everything I've read, are amazing

people, but the reason I want to meet them
together is because I want to hear both

the experience of President Obama going
through his life and becoming president

as a very young president and his wife's
experience as the spouse of someone who

is now the leader of the free world.

Cause she has a very different
background and has been very clear.

She has no political ambitions and
yeah, it's a really great combination.

I, that's definitely top of mind.

So if you can get this in front of
the Obamas, I would be grateful.

Prateek Panda: Definitely.

Okay.

Let's we'll root for you to Make it to
that meal with both of them and i'm also

extremely inspired by their journey.

So I will root for you to make it.

Thank you so much Nitin,
for spending time with us.

You've shared a lot of very helpful
information, encouraging for a

lot of immigrant founders who
are, working on ideas, but there's

some inhibition stopping them.

Nitin Pachisia: Yeah, look, we I
appreciate you giving me the opportunity

because I want to get in front of
as many immigrants as possible.

And if I can be a little bit of
help in paving the way, there's

a part of my calendar that's open
where anyone can schedule time.

The link is on my LinkedIn and Twitter.

I will do anything possible to
remove the friction of immigration

if that's what's standing between
you and starting your company.

So I appreciate you
giving me the opportunity.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing, Nitin.

And I truly feel like because
I've been through that pain and

I still live through that pain.

I just want you to know that you're
doing amazing work, just encouraging

enough people to not have to worry
about a piece of paper that determines

whether they can do something big or not.

So I think it's an amazing thing.

I don't think everybody understands
the gravity of that problem.

Even though it feels like just
another piece of paper, it is a

big mental block stopping people.

So I think you're doing an
amazing work and thank you so

much for sharing your journey.

Nitin Pachisia: I appreciate you.

Prateek Panda: All right.

Thanks, Nitin.

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