Off to the Valley

Sara Powell: But I still felt this
isn't quite it and my journey there

to that point was quite difficult.

I didn't have much support.

I suffered through a lot of medical
and like physical and mental

health problems along the way.

And so this business is really
creating the support system that I

wish that I had through that journey.

Prateek Panda: Hello everyone and
welcome back to Off To The Valley,

a podcast that brings to light
incredible stories of those who left the

familiarity of home for new horizons.

I'm your host Prateek Panda, always
curious and eager to share these

journeys of courage and determination.

Today, we are delighted to have
Sarah Powell join our podcast.

She's a perfect example of the values
and spirit that we cherish here.

Her remarkable story is one of venturing
beyond her familiar boundaries.

And it embodies the spirit
of exploration and discovery.

She's had an impressive background
as a consultant for Accenture

and the COO for various mission
driven organizations globally.

And it's very interesting to experience
the freedom she's created in her

life in alignment with her values.

There was a pivotal moment in
her life that got her to pause

reflect and ultimately rediscover
her identity and values.

We are going to talk about all of
that as well as her professional

milestones, but our focus today is
to talk more about the human story

behind these achievements Sarah It's
a pleasure to have you on the show.

Sara Powell: Thanks for having me.

And thanks for that introduction.

Prateek Panda: Tell us a little
bit about Impactury first.

What is it about?

Sara Powell: Sure.

Yeah, this is my latest
venture, hopefully my last is

my dream business that I started.

So we work with women executives
to help them find more purpose

and less stress at work.

And so we do that through career
fulfillment coaching and retreats.

We have one in Mallorca in the summer, and
then in the fall, we have one in Nepal.

Prateek Panda: Awesome!

That sounds very interesting.

So It helps women get better at the
workplace, find more out of their

career while also taking care of their
values and themselves also, right?

Why is this your dream venture?

You said this is probably the
last thing you want to do.

Sara Powell: Basically
throughout my own career.

So I was in consulting for a long time.

I also reached a peak in my career
where I thought, Oh, this is it.

I've achieved it.

I've made it to the mountaintop,
like being a chief operating officer.

And I was really close to the life
that I really wanted for myself.

But I still felt this isn't
quite it and my journey there to

that point was quite difficult.

I didn't have much support.

I suffered through a lot of medical
and like physical and mental

health problems along the way.

And so this business is really creating
the support system that I wish that I had

through that journey.

And another thing is that when I was
looking for support, I really felt like,

and even when I was in corporate still,

I feel like a lot of the leadership
development programs or a lot

of other courses and things,
they're just very surface level.

They don't actually get to the
root of what do I really want?

Like helping me really get to that.

And why is it so hard to even say?

A lot of people, myself included
for a long time, had trouble

even articulating exactly

what that was because a lot of us haven't
felt safe just expressing our needs.

We always are looking externally
and putting our focus externally

to everyone else instead of
reconnecting inward with that.

Helping people figure out what
that is, but also, okay, I'm here.

I want to go there.

What's standing in the way.

And so at the root of it is always
limiting beliefs, which are formed

when we are 0 to 7 years old.

They could be a little later, but,
typically, the way that we see

ourselves in the world is formed at that

age, and that's the same operating
system that we're running on

today, and we don't realize it.

So those strategies that helped
kept us safe when we were a

baby, helpless to our caregiver,

those strategies are probably not
the most effective as an adult

that has free will and autonomy

and all of this, but most of us
are still using those same tactics.

So, really helping people to get clear
on that and release the stress, the

anger, the frustration, the sadness,

whatever all of these things are, these
powerful emotions that keep us playing

small instead of reaching
our full potential.

So it's been the most fulfilling
work that I've ever done, not only

because I get to give back, but also,

it's just something that is
really allowing me to use my

talents and gifts and it's just
work that's so energizing to me.

And yeah, so that's what I help
my clients do is really once I've

experienced this, I'm like, Oh my gosh,

I want everyone to experience
just the joy of being in flow,

and really feeling fulfilled.

This is not for, just the lucky
ones or a small group of people.

Work can be such a wonderful place
of inspiration energy and yeah

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

I think you're doing great work
because I can imagine why it is

so energizing for you as well,

because you're truly
changing people's lives.

And again if, even if we can impact
a few people at the workplace

that changes the workplace
for everyone around us also.

So that positive impact, flows very
quickly to other people as well.

And, end of the day, work can more
often than not be very stressful.

And a lot of that is not just on the
tasks that you are doing, but also

the people that are around you, right?

The people that are around you can also
make it either easy or more stressful.

Now you mentioned something where you
said, you reached the peak of your career.

That was a pivotal moment
for you to, think about this.

Do you think this thought
of, working for yourself or

identifying your own self needs,

even at the workplace can
come anytime sooner than that?

Or do you have to really you know, achieve
everything to get to a point where you can

start thinking, Hey, where have I come?

And is there any other
place to go beyond this?

Or should I now start introspecting
about what else to do?

Sara Powell: I think everyone is on
their own journey, but I would say

typically most of us are following

a path that we think is going to
lead us to fulfillment based on

just what we've learned from society

or culture, caregivers, things like
that and then, at a certain point,

usually when you hit, executive level

or you have the house, the
car, the title, the money, you

have all those material things

that you should, you've learned
are supposed to be the markers

of success when you get there
and you don't feel successful.

It's not that I didn't feel successful.

It's more just, you feel
like something isn't there.

There's something missing.

It's hard to put your finger on.

And I think the farther along in
your career you are, you realize

Okay, like I'm going
to have to take action.

I think the pain is greater.

So that's why I see particularly
people who are around 50,

they're pre retirement and it's
that last chapter of their career.

And so the motivation
is very great for them.

But compared to someone who's in
their twenties, you feel like,

Oh, I have forever my retirement.

Oh my gosh, that's not even a concern.

So I think it just is all about
perspective, but also I think when

you're a lot younger or more junior

in your career, you don't
necessarily think What is it that

I want and then go and get that

you're like what is available to me or
what is the status quo the typical career

path and most people just follow that.

So I think it's also just realizing,
Hey, you actually have options.

You don't have to just do that one thing.

Like even when I was in consulting,
I feel like I've always taken a dance

to the beat of my own drum because

even there I was like, okay, I want
to do something more purposeful.

I got involved with
our nonprofit practice.

And so that was really great.

I was taking action to create
an environment where I would

be more aligned and feel

more inspired by my work and taking
advantage of other opportunities

like doing a leave of absence.

We had a sabbatical program, so did
that to again, just explore other things

and I think just like taking
vacation and doing things that

just figuring out what's going

to make me happy and then do those
things, but that is a lot easier said

than done, especially when it comes

to all the complexities of limiting
beliefs and what you deserve and, feeling

like I should be grateful for this.

Who am I to want something more?

Things like that.

Prateek Panda: it's definitely a lot
easier to say than to get it done.

Especially what I want to know
also is a lot of listeners of

the show are founders themselves.

And, as founders or even senior
execs, There is this social picture

that is painted that you have to, work
really hard and you're spending 15, 16

hours a day thinking or working
and it's just insane, right?

And the world or the media
keeps throwing these examples of

executives who sacrifice family

and achieve so much and so many
other things and that keeps hitting

you almost on a daily basis,

weekly basis, and that changes
your thought process over time.

You start thinking that, hey,
that is the way to success.

What would you say to all the
listeners right now who are in that

boat, who are chasing a particular

definition of success and probably
are going to realize it very late.

That that was probably not the right path

Sara Powell: I don't think there's
any one right or wrong thing or path.

I think it's more just
to sit for a moment.

Don't just follow the path blindly
sit and think is this what I want?

Is this even a problem for me?

Look at your relationships,
look at your mental health, your

physical health, your financials,

your hobbies, how much like joy
and play do you have in your life?

Is this actually what you want?

And if the answer is yeah, I want
to be working weekends and all

hours and not have good health

and have my relationships non
existent or hanging on by a

thread, if that's what you want

for your life, then maybe that
is the right path for you.

But, I think, the main thing
is just questioning it.

Is this what I want?

Yes or no.

And if it's no, what most people don't
realize is that what you do want is really

not that far from where you
are now, it just seems like it.

And when you actually do that
exercise of reflecting on

what is it that I truly want,

what will make me happy
versus what I'm doing.

And actually, this is an activity,
an exercise, a reflection that I

do with my clients is, When life
is going amazingly well for you.

You're so happy.

You're so joyful.

What does that look like?

What are you doing?

What do you invest your time in?

Is it I'm going to the
gym, I'm volunteering,

I'm having Sunday dinners with my
girlfriends, whatever it is, write that

down and then go look at your calendar

go look at your to do list
so you say these things

are important to you and you know those
are going to bring you fulfillment.

And then how are you
actually spending your time?

And so then you can start to see, okay,
let me, and I can't stress this enough.

Don't add more things, take away things.

You're already doing too much.

You're doing the most.

So figure out what is
really not adding value.

What's draining me and
remove those things.

And then you'll have space to replace them
with, just doing these little by little.

Because I know you can
be very addicted to work.

Yeah, I think the main thing is just
question, what is it that I want?

And when you question things,
that is going to open up in

your mind, an opportunity

for you to actually change the
beliefs that you have around work,

your identity, those kinds of things.

Prateek Panda: That makes sense.

You talked a little bit about
financial part as well, and do

you think in order to at least,

I think that in order to you know
take a few steps back and question

all of these more often than not,

you have to also be in some
place of financial security.

And I've seen a lot of people
who reach out to me for help

moving from one role to another,

but more often than not, they just
go from one stressful job to another.

Because they just don't have
that or they've not built

this mechanism to be able

to take a break and think about
this in a more relaxed manner.

Do you have a particular suggestion
or a format that You ask people

to follow so that at least

they can give themselves that
time to think about themselves

Sara Powell: Yeah, I would definitely
recommend taking an actual break

trying to do this kind of deep

real reflection and have a
transformational shift is

going to take more than like
a Friday evening or a weekend.

So if you can, if you work at a company
that has a generous vacation policy, like,

take a month off or like
at least two weeks off.

And this is something that living
in Europe, I absolutely love

that they do is just, they take
off the entire month of August.

This is wild to me as a month of vacation.

What all at once.

We don't even get a month of vacation.

But yeah, I think just.

It is, what they say is true about rest.

Like you really do come back with a
more creative mind, you're energized.

And so I really encourage people
to take at least two weeks.

If you can't, three
months is really ideal.

And between jobs, if you can do six is
like a really good amount of time because

you're going to need three just
to recover from the burnout

and make sense of your world

and everything and then you can
start thinking about the next steps.

But, yeah, having some kind of plan to
be able to financially support yourself.

I strongly recommend whether that's,
getting support from family or friends

or, saving up, but definitely planning
for it because what you don't want to do

is be coming from a place of desperation.

That's when you are not making sound
decisions about your business or

your future, that kind of thing.

And it's just like you said, you just
end up going on a hamster wheel of, one

draining job, toxic work environment

to the next, just cause you're
feeling Yeah, you're feeling helpless

and you're also just stressed

like you really need to give
yourself the time because when we're

stressed our brains are actually

in a survival state and so critical
functions like creativity shut down a lot

of other functions in our body shut down

because they're not necessary for
the immediate stress of, getting away

from a Sabre-tooth tiger or something

like that so so yeah getting into a
relaxed state, but even if you only

have those two weeks, you know really

doing your best to disconnect, do like
deep breathing exercises can really

help you immediately get into a calm

state so that you can just start to
think more clearly about what you want

and more creatively about opportunities.

That's the other thing, or get or get
support, get a coach, something, get

someone who can guide you through that.

Because, yeah, it's really difficult
when you're in the weeds of it all.

Prateek Panda: Yeah, thanks for sharing
that Sarah, I think that's you know

really important to be in that place

where you can actually take this
step and for that you need either a

coach or supportive friends, family,

your own financial support to
help you even get to that point.

Great.

So Sarah, you've taken multiple
breaks in your corporate career.

You've done, impact projects
in India as well as Ethiopia.

How did you plan this?

How did it shape your
experience as a person?

And how are you bringing
that to Impactury?

Sara Powell: Yeah, I think, it's
like I've taken many retirements

since I started my career.

Yeah, highly recommend
for, yeah, you don't,

this is just another example of you don't
have to do what everyone else is doing.

Just listen to what you need and want.

So yeah, this started way
back in 2014 when I was doing

consulting, I took a three month

leave of absence and worked in India
and that was so eye opening to me and

gave me, I think the consistent theme

with every break that I've taken
is that one, it gives me the chance

to get perspective, which you need

when you're too in the weeds,
like we were just talking about,

you're stressed and you actually
can't see opportunities as much

and you can't think as creatively

so taking these breaks has
given me perspective on what I

want in life, where i've come,

and where I want to go, and also give
me an opportunity to see myself in a

different light so like when I went

to India that was I was doing a
project with social enterprise

and back then what social
entrepreneurship like what is that?

There was like never heard of it.

But that for me was so life
changing because not only

living in a foreign country,

particularly India is one of a
kind living there for three months.

But in an environment where I was
able to use my consulting skills to

really help change people's lives,

we were working with an organization
that was curbing human trafficking

and this was actually
the original inspiration.

It stayed with me until starting Impactury
because I was like, wow, I want to use my

business skills to help other
women who are in business.

So that was really powerful
for me to have that experience.

So after I left consulting, I moved
to Spain to do my MBA, I basically,

it's like I can't do this anymore,

I don't know what the next step
is, but it's not staying in D.C

doing consulting, so I quit my job,

I sold all of my stuff, and moved to
Spain, and so that was, Although an MBA is

definitely not relaxing or a real break.

It was a break from my regular day
to day, like my life as I knew it.

And again, it just gave
me a lot of perspective.

And so after that is when I
started my actually I started

two businesses right after

one was a eco wellness products
business and quickly realized I

hate selling physical products.

So glad we got that out of the way.

So I was like, okay, built this.

It was an amazing experience,
but didn't want to do that.

Then I co founded a clean water
social enterprise in Ethiopia.

And that was because I had that
break from my regular work.

I was able to reconnect with what
was important to me and how I

wanted to spend my time and do work.

Yeah, and then after that got
into a little bit back, not

really consulting, but that's when

I was the chief operating
officer of a digital consultancy.

I was again working with
mission based organizations and,

I just realized that's when I got
to that point of, this isn't the

life that I really want for myself.

Because people would say,
Sarah, you're living the dream.

But I'm like, it's not my dream.

It's a goal that I wanted to reach.

And I did.

And it's not, I always say a dream
is a heart wish your heart makes

from Cinderella, because it's true,

it's really goals are from your
mind, and your dreams are really from

your heart, and you have to connect

with your feelings and your
emotions to, to get clear on that.

And yeah, after I left that, I didn't
actually have a clear plan for what was

next or what Impactury was going to be.

I just knew that I needed to
take a break to again, get that

perspective, to build my skills up,

to reconnect with myself
and figure out, okay.

What do I want to do?

What's the meaning I want to
create in my life and my career?

And yeah, and then after that,
and the evolution happened

where I ended up starting my

business Impactury and yeah, and
now I just take mini breaks instead

of like full blown big ones.

I do my summer, so this is literally
part of my annual plan is like

I take a month off in summer.

I take a month off over the
holidays over December so yeah!

Prateek Panda: You are going
to make a lot of listeners

very jealous but that is great.

That's great!

That should inspire folks to, spend
a few minutes this week, reflect,

and think about, how they want
to continue to go ahead in life.

Sarah, I think, one thing that I
felt I was lucky with during my

startup journey also was I always had

very good mentors, but I've also had
amazing friends I've been through

times when I wasn't able to pay

my bills and my friends would
cover in and I would rarely even

have to ask or feel this pressure

of you know the fact that i've taken
help from people right and it's

important to have that support ecosystem

You said you quit your corporate job,
sold all your stuff, packed whatever

you had left and moved to Spain.

What does your support
ecosystem look like?

And what is, what was it before?

And what does it look like today?

Sara Powell: Yeah, support, that's
been a journey because for me, I had

a lot of shame around asking for help.

I definitely was always the one
who is like helping others and I

was always the support for people.

That was really like a part of my identity
and I had judgment around asking for help.

Of course, this was like
on a subconscious level.

I didn't actively think this,
but when it came down to it, I

would get myself into a position.

This is why I ended up going
through the physical and mental

health challenges from burnout

because I just kept pushing and
wasn't getting support because I had

always been able to push through.

So that was a very high cost for me.

To rehabilitate from that took me years,
but, I have not forgotten the lesson.

So now I am such an advocate of people
getting the support that they need.

There is no shame in it.

It takes way more courage to ask for help
than it does to go hide in a corner and

pretend everything is fine
and put your head in the sand.

So now what I do is I also
have the support of coaches.

So I get coached.

I have my therapist and friends.

I also think it's so important to
surround yourself with other people

who are on entrepreneurship journey

or whatever it is that you're,
whatever field you're in, just having

people around you who get it,
who understand your struggles.

And I think having people who are
a little bit more ahead of you.

So they can say, Oh, hey, here's this.

Here's my contract that I already made,
or here's the lawyer that I use for this.

Or, hey, don't forget when you're doing
this to sign up for this or, whatever.

They can basically share the lessons
that they've learned along the way.

But I think, for me now, Oren, if
you're listening a little shout out,

he's my business accountability buddy,

and this has been really a game changer
for me is, we meet once a month for

an hour and we talk about, so we

set up the structure of our calls
where we reflect on our last month.

So we talk about our highs, our lows what
we want to start doing for the next month,

what we want to stop doing,
like what's working, what's not.

And we also talk about
our goals for the month.

And just having this structure
has been so helpful because when

you're an entrepreneur, it's like.

My to do list is never ending.

There are 1000 things.

How do I prioritize it?

And so this has just given me
every month I know that i'm

gonna at least plan the month

and then After doing that for
about six months then this year.

I actually made a plan for the
whole year and so I break it

down by quarter and then month

and Oh my gosh, the relief that
I have felt from having that.

Some people might be
like this girl's crazy.

Yeah, I thought I was crazy too.

Maybe it is a little crazy, but
it really does bring structure

when things are chaotic.

Cause there's always a million
priorities and depending on the

team that you have, supporting you.

Like I don't have another founder.

It's just me.

So I'm making so many decisions.

And so decision fatigue is real.

So having the, having a clear
structure that's this is what you're

prioritizing, these are your goals.

That kind of thing has been,
yeah, has been really helpful

to have as support around me.

Prateek Panda: That is amazing, Sarah.

Can you also share some success story
of somebody in your program that

achieved a certain breakthrough?

Were there any key factors that
contributed to that breakthrough?

Sara Powell: Yeah, sure.

I think it's not like one specific
person, but this is like the

change that happens that makes

me keep wanting to do what I'm doing is
really just giving people the space, like

a calming space to just be themselves,

where they don't feel judged, where
they feel safe expressing themselves and

just being able to talk through things.

Giving them that space and then
when we'll actually go through

and do reflections to help
loosen up their way of being.

So like I was saying before, questioning.

What do I want, how am I
spending my time today?

Like just starting to ask these
questions or where am I having

strong emotions around things?

And once you start loosening
those things up, it's usually

like in the second session,

but you'll see some in the first,
but definitely by the second session,

it's like, there was a change.

They see themselves and
the world differently now.

Like there's is before and after this
moment, and it's incredible how they

will just start showing up differently.

Sometimes I'm like, oh my
gosh, you are unrecognizable.

Are you the person who
was in the last session?

It's incredible!

Because truly, like I mentioned before,
we go deep and really get to the root of,

what you want and what
is holding you back.

And so when you can loosen
up those things, if You

have anger around something.

We can like, let that go or
you have sadness or the fear.

There's so much fear, especially
in entrepreneurship and you end

up just keeping yourself small.

And so when you finally address like,
Oh, this is why I'm afraid of this.

And you can let that go.

Oh my gosh, it's just truly limitless
potential from there and creativity.

So for me, yeah, just seeing witnessing
that, yeah, being witnessed to it

is just such a beautiful
and really powerful thing.

Prateek Panda: Can't wait
to do something like this.

One last question before we
switch gears a little bit.

What are some misconceptions
about career fulfillment that

you more often than not encounter

and, that's one of the things
that you are encouraging people to

understand better about their careers?

Sara Powell: I think the main
thing is just having a narrow

focus on what work has to be,
realizing that you do have choice.

There are options.

You are by pigeonholing yourself into just
a traditional career path, like going the

corporate finance consulting,
whatever, like that kind of route.

Yes, that is an option, but I have yet
to find a fulfilled consultant or banker.

But yeah, it's, I think just
questioning, is this really the path?

I think people don't realize that
you can question it and that you

can be successful and honestly

way more successful, not
necessarily doing your own thing.

Like entrepreneurship is not for everyone.

I think it's very glamorized, but it
is the most difficult thing I've ever

done in my life, but it's also been

the most rewarding thing, but everyone's
not built for that, but just being

able to get clear on what do I want?

And then, realizing you can
make change within your company.

You can, just ask for it.

Hey, to your manager, I'm really
interested in doing more of XYZ.

I want to build my skills in this.

Or, maybe there's an extracurricular
thing that's part of the company

that you want to start leading.

Or, I always took advantage of that,
especially in corporate, the budget

that you have is basically endless.

So to put on, I used to host all kinds
of events using the budget that we had.

And I was able to host events
for 200, 250 people in person,

have these incredible speakers.

I'm not just saying like you have to
go the entrepreneurial route because

I don't think that's for everyone,

but if it is, you're never going
to know until you just try it out.

So I think the main thing is just get
moving and test things out, talk to people

who are doing it so that you can have
a better idea of if that is going to

work for you, if it sounds aligned.

Prateek Panda: One last
question before I let you go.

You've traveled around a lot.

You've lived in different places and
almost become a global citizen and tell

us a little bit about location freedom.

And you also have talked about location
freedom in alignment with self values.

What does that really mean?

And Is there any tips for listeners
here as they start to figure out and

i'm just being selfish because this year

for me Is that journey like I want to
figure out based on my values, where

do I want to live more longer term?

So tips for me and all the listeners

Sara Powell: Yeah, of course.

Yeah I think particularly if you're in
entrepreneurship, but you have a lot

more options, but if you are
in corporate, whatever it is.

I always say like the
business works for me.

I don't work for the business.

So I start with what is the
life that I want for myself?

What do I want my, and I don't just mean.

Oh, I want to take a vacation, what I
want to take to vacation every year.

It's what about my day to look like,
because that's really your life is,

your every day, not just the weekends.

And so when you look at that,
then reverse engineering.

Okay.

What would I need to make this happen?

And for example, with my
business, I knew that I had to be

geography independent for this,

because for me, like a huge value
for me is belonging and connection.

That is because I'm in Madrid, I'm in
Europe, my family and my closest friends

from, many years ago are
in the United States.

That is a far trip, and it's
pretty exhausting to do that, so

for me, I knew I wanted to be able

to go back to the U.S for at
least two weeks at a time, twice

a year to maintain that connection

and to feel just all the love that,
even my friends here and from around

the world, there's nothing like,

getting a hug from your dad or
your mom, that kind of thing.

And just the friends who have known you
for 20 years, you can't replace that.

So for me that was a huge thing
that was aligning with my values

of belonging and connection.

But also because I had lived in such a
chronic state of stress and survival mode

for so long, having a place where
I felt very safe and where I

could prioritize my well being

on a day to day basis was
really important, and for me,

Madrid is so, that I love.

Not only is there's such a sense of
community and belonging here as well,

but just the pace of life is a lot slower
than I was experiencing in the U.S.

The values are much more on connection,
belonging, friends, family versus

just work, work all the time.

They definitely still have very
strong work ethics, but because

I'm in an environment that supports

what I'm trying to
achieve, that slower pace.

Even though I'm still American
and I'm still, you know,

I'm calmed down, but being

in this environment just
keeps perspective for me.

So that's how I'm able to
really achieve the life that

I want and having that for me

location freedom is super, super
important, but I think whatever it is

for you is just getting clear on again

what do I want my life to look
like and realizing you have choice.

It's not, what do I think it should look
like or what do I think I can achieve?

It's Hey, like dream big 10
X, whatever you said, if these

are your goals, make them

even bigger, you're never
going to reach them.

If you don't, at least if you're afraid
to even say it out loud or write it

down, then you're not going to reach it.

So I just encourage people
to get clear on that.

And what actually happens is
once you're like, I want this, I

need this in my life, your brain

will actually start looking for
opportunities because it constantly,

it's always wanting to solve problems.

And so once you're like how could I go
and be home for this amount of time?

Or for example, for me, after I did my
MBA, I knew I wanted to stay in Spain.

I don't have a visa.

I don't have a passport.

Like girl, how are you staying in Europe?

What are you talking about?

It's I ended up like getting
on a retirement visa and all

the, there were, my brain

was like, we're doing this
and found opportunities.

Cause it was on the lookout for those.

So yeah, just trust the process, but first
you gotta get clear on what you want.

And then I think the rest will
present itself and fall into place.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing Sarah!

Thank you for sharing your journey
and I know some of the topics

are more difficult to express

and of course you've strengthened
yourself over time, but a lot of

people are still today very hesitant

to talk about anxiety chronic illness
going to a therapist so thank you for

sharing all of your personal stories

as well, and of course the amazing
professional journey that you've had.

It was great having you on the show and
hopefully we will catch up again sometime.

Sara Powell: Thanks.

Thanks for having me.

It's been great.

Prateek Panda: Thank you

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