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Yang Cheung: Every

drawing,

whether it is scribble scrabble or not,

there's a meaning behind it.

So that's the reason, initially
we started as an art gallery.

my husband even burned a couple of NFTs.

But there's no traction because,

a webpage with

kids' Art on it, it is as difficult
to advertise as any business.

Prateek Panda: How do you go about
validating an idea, something like

this, and how did you go about
like estimating what should be the

market opportunity for it and hey,
I want to go full-time build this.

Yang Cheung: It is different
for every type of businesses.

We did start with NFTs,
but we didn't do marketing.

Without marketing its kind of impossible
to get the, because there's so many other

amazing NFTs, its impossible to advertise.

then when we do, well we did, we
did send the NFTs out to families

and friends, the close circle.

that's when I realized I
don't think it's a great idea.

And then, when I then moved
on to put pixyit as a gallery,

it's very similar experience.

We share the gallery with people, but
we don't see a lot of website traffic.

And then when we connected the
idea of royalty and upload your

kids' art and purchase something,

that's when I started seeing traffic to
our website and people asking about it

and word of mouth, people
telling each other.

That's when I realized, okay,
this, there is something there.

Let's try more.

Prateek Panda: /Hello and welcome
back to Off To the Valley.

I'm your host Prateek Panda and today I
have a very, very exciting guest and I'm

really looking forward to this episode.

I have with us Yang Cheung.

She's the co-founder and CEO of pixyit and
it's, it started with an amazing journey

that we were just chatting about and it
started with her having a touching family

moment when, her son drew a lobster on
a piece of paper that she transferred

to a t-shirt, built it out into a
seven figure, purpose driven business.

And all of that is backed by almost
two years, two decades of experience

in software as an engineer, product
leader, investor and board member.

So a lot of things to pack in there.

So I'm super excited not just to talk
about pixyit, but also Yang's entire

journey through her career, as well
as moving from different countries.

So, Yang, it's a pleasure
to have you on the show.

Yang Cheung: Thank you so much
Prateek for the introduction.

It is very nice to meet you.

Thank you for having me.

Prateek Panda: That's awesome.

So I'm very excited because just before
starting recording, we were talking

about some of these moments that we have.

I was sharing an experience
with my godson, whom I love

a lot, and he loves me a lot.

He is like a tiny 2-year-old, but he
can show so much emotion and affection.

And kids do these amazing things
that we want to keep capturing, and

you've come up with this
incredible idea with pixyit.

Can you share a little bit more?

Yang Cheung: Yes, definitely.

My journey also started with my two kids.

They are very creative.

My son is now 10, my daughter is 7.

They draw a lot of artwork
at home and in school.

So they bring back so many pieces
of papers and mostly wrinkled.

So, I didn't know what to do
with it, but when I throw them

away, they get very emotional.

They think Mommy don't like their art.

So, that's when I started thinking how
do I show their amazing artwork to just

not our family members at home, but to
the whole world so people can enjoy.

Because it's not just a piece
of drawing every single drawing,

whether it is scribble scrabble or
not, there's a meaning behind it.

So, that's the reason.

Initially we started as an art gallery.

And my husband even
burned a couple of NFTs.

But, there's no traction because, having
a webpage with kids Art on it it is as

difficult to advertise as any business.

So I figured how do I showcase
their artwork, even, even further.

So, I decided to start printing, My
son's very first, lobster on a t-shirt.

I printed a couple of T-shirts so
he wore to school and his friends

and teacher really loved it.

So they were asking, where
did you get the T-shirt from?

So that's when I saw, okay, there's a
traction so that's one side of the story.

There's another side of the
story why we have this element

of kids earning and giving back.

So, it is also because of my children.

They asked me for pocket money,
and I was born in China, grew

up in a, a low class, family.

So, I had to, back then, I thought I
had to suffer through a lot of hardship

and, trying to get pocket money myself.

So I figured my two kids
should experience that as well.

So I told them, you need to go
out and earn, your own money.

So they, started off as a stoop sale.

And, but when they do stoop
sale, they sell my stuff.

So I thought, you need to figure out what
you can sell from your own collection.

And so that's when they thought, okay,
there what they do best is drawing, so

they can sell drawings, but when they do
stoop sale drawing, there's no traction.

Nobody's, buying it.

So combining those ideas
of showcasing their art, I

figured, why don't I help 'em?

When they're showcasing art, they can show
on daily products where we individuals

can purchase it, inspire their creativity.

'Cause when we wear them, they
feel so proud and then they can

earn royalty from each order.

I also want them to, to give back,
to learn love about the community.

So then every single order, we
gave them royalty and also we gave

back to our nonprofit partner.

So this is what needs all of those
elements together and created pixyit.

Essentially, our mission is to
create this flywheel of good.

This is amazing, Yang.

I think you're doing some incredible work.

So congratulations to you, for, you
know, getting this off the ground

and getting traction, as you were
speaking, like it almost sounds like,

the next level of a lemonade stand for
kids, particularly, you know, like I

still see Lemonade stands around the
neighborhood and it's very cute and this

is almost taking it to another level.

But what's exciting is, the other part
that you said, right, which is also

great learning experience for kids, is
understanding how money works and how

this whole ecosystem works, but also
being more responsible to the community.

Tell me, how did you communicate
this to your kids and how

did you show this as a value?

Yeah, So, the communication, I guess
because of the way they grew up, we,

I'm not a tiger mom, but I do want
them to learn, money, counting money,

how to earn money from very early on.

So, I've always been teaching
them, Hey, this is a great work.

Have you thought about how to sell it?

Not just asking for money from your
parents, but from people on the street.

So it's not just about making money,
but it's about appreciating people.

So when they go on the, on the
street to stoop sale, they become

marketing and salesperson themselves.

They figure out who they need to talk
to, identify the target customers.

So when they do stoop sale,
they sell, my in-laws jewelries.

They identify women.

And, older aged because when
they run around on the street,

they realize who responds.

So naturally, because of those experience
we provide them, they start learning

the basics of how to do a business,
how to identify customers, where are

they, how to grab their attention.

And so through those experience,

That, that that's, I, I guess, yeah,
that's how they, they learned, everything.

And then from that, because my, so
as a family, we enjoy giving back.

We donate money every year to different
charities and when we do that, we

actually talk about it, with the two kids.

So that's when they have the
concept of let's help others.

Especially my daughter
does it really well.

I guess also because she's younger,
she doesn't have the concept of

saving money, but whatever she
saves, she donates a hundred percent.

She even talk about, we recently got her
water bottle from pixyit and she said,

how much how much royalty did I earn
and can I give all of that to my school?

Because her school has over 50% of,
children from low income families.

So they need additional support on
the art supply, and stuff like that.

So because of, what I guess my husband
and I, kind of set examples at home.

And so that's how we gave them the
environment to understand how to earn

and the importance of helping others.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

And I'm gonna switch gears a little bit
and you talked sometime back about your

husband first thinking about this as,
okay, let's mint NFTs and offer those.

But it did not work.

So my question is around how do you
go about validating an idea, something

like this, and how did you go about
like estimating what should be the

market opportunity for it and hey,
I want to go full-time build this.

Yang Cheung: That's a, that's
an amazing question, , and it is

different for every type of businesses.

I've done other startups prior to
pixyit, so, but I'm gonna use pixyit as

an example, how we validated the idea.

We did start with NFTs,
but we didn't do marketing.

So just simply listing the, the NFTs on,
I forgot the, the name of the platform.

So we listed there.

But, without marketing is, its kind
of impossible to get the, because

there's so many other amazing NFTs
is its impossible to advertise.

And then when we do, well we did,
we did send the NFTs out to families

and friends, the close circle.

And that's when I realized I
don't think it's a great idea.

And then, when I then moved
on to put pixyit as a gallery,

it's very similar experience.

We share the gallery with people, but
we don't see a lot of website traffic.

And then when we connected the idea
of royalty and upload your kids' art

and purchase something, that's when I
started seeing traffic to our website

and people asking about it and word
of mouth, people telling each other.

That's when I realized, okay,
this, there is something there.

Let's try more.

And then we did localized marketing.

We partner with the schools, so
parents will tell each other and

the schools will share our URL and
we donate a bit back to the school.

So from there we started
seeing more and more traffic.

So that's how we tested
this particular idea.

But even through this
journey, we've learned a lot.

What are the user, user experience?

How can we make it easy for parents?

And in fact, what we realized is the
school is not the best way to reach

parents who are our primary target market.

And so now we very recently
started working with, companies

and brands to reach the parents.

Because if you think about
it, where are the parents?

How do we reach them?

They're either at work.

Or they are having fun with
their kids, like watching a

basketball game, in a studio.

Very few parents, because they are working
parents, they're very busy, so they

don't spend a lot of time at schools.

And so that's why school is just a
way of passive marketing channel.

But, so to answer your question in a
simple way is really identifying,who we

are selling to and how can we reach them.

Prateek Panda: You might have
tried out, you're still very early

stage, so you might have tried
out some scrappy growth hacks.

Anything that worked for
you that you wanna share.

Yang Cheung: Yes.

We are very scrappy,
still scrappy right now.

We're bootstrapped, we're
how we started testing.

We didn't start building the app at all.

We just bought a domain and start
building a website, Wix website.

And we created the gallery, no code.

And then, used the Wix shop and put a
couple of products where we know how

to produce them with local providers.

And so we, boom, uploaded, we have a
website ready and we started sharing,

promoting the website on our social media.

So everything.

Is by me and my co-founder,

Prateek Panda: Hmm.

Yang Cheung: very scrappy, very low cost.

And as soon as we start seeing
orders, that's when we realized,

okay, we might have to do more.

So, my husband's background is software
engineer, so he's helping me writing a

couple of lines code, for the website.

So we do have custom code.

It sounds like a simple idea.

We actually have AI to, to do a
lot of processing behind the scene.

Because a lot of pictures
have wrinkles and shadows.

When parents take a picture, we
have to remove them, make them

presentable and printable on products.

In addition, we have, AI model to analyze
the drawings, which is very difficult.

Analyze what's, what's in the
drawing and converting a image into

structured data, for better search.

So we do have a lot of logic behind it.

The way we do is scrappy is by
ourselves, and then we have two part-time

engineers who I've worked with before.

So, they're my friends.

They're helping me out as well.

So, this is how we've launched
and, generated revenue.

Now, using that revenue, we are running
some paid ads, very small budget.

In addition, we are building our
mobile app where, the parents and

kids can see how much they earned
and how much impacts they made with

the donation to the nonprofits.

Prateek Panda: That is amazing.

And do you think that, that is
one of the bigger motivators for

anybody to get onto the platform?

Especially parents and even you
worked with schools so much.

Do you think that's why there is traction?

Yang Cheung: Yes, definitely.

When we are just, initially our
pitch is about showcasing kids art.

And it just stops there.

People say, that sounds great.

And then we added the pitch, say we
showcase kids art on unique products.

Very interesting.

And when the kids, our neighbors, I
see them wearing a pixyit products

and carrying the water bottle,

they're so proud.

But again, very interesting.

Then we realized it's a real value
where parents are really buying it

is because of the royalty component
and most of the parents also

wants an element of giving back.

So, its the actual value coming back
to the kids is what's attracting them.

But this, the changing the messaging, took
us a couple of months to figure it out.

So we constantly refining our messaging
and how we pitch to different audience.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

You've run other startups before
you've led teams, around product

design engineering, you might have
gathered a lot of experience over

time and what, can you share one or
two things that were important for

you from that past experience that
helped you take pixyit from like this

playful idea to a meaningful business?

Yang Cheung: Yeah, definitely.

So previously, all of my
previous startup were B2B.

So my takeaway for sure when there's an
idea that is very important to validate

the idea without spending too much
money and jumping in and building it.

The second is in order
to validate the idea,

you know, traditional way is, lean
startup and getting user sign up, is

true for certain businesses, but for
most, there should be a way to monetize

it, to test the real traction before
spending a lot of money on building

. So that's what I learned previously
and I am using it on pixyit.

So, so we are actually
pre-product, if we think about it.

We only have a website,
but we, we do have revenue.

So, that's a big lesson learned.

The second is, there's, no matter what
type of business it is, we are B2C.

But B2B is a big channel, for
us its a big revenue channel.

So we need to be able to utilize every
single channel that we can get hold of.

So my strategy currently with
pixyit is we have B2C channel.

We test it, we know there's traction,
we know exactly how to grow it.

We let it run.

In parallel, we started testing
the B2B channel and we identified a

couple of type of companies and we
select one company from each type.

We are doing outreach right now.

That's where we can see what
type of company, we see some

traction for bulk orders.

So, those are the more heavy
lifting, revenue that we can get.

So those are all lessons learned,
accumulated from the previous experience.

Prateek Panda: And that's awesome.

Right.

I think one thing that, the first
point that you said is so important.

And good thing with AI is that so much
of that is possible today, where in

the past it was a lot more painful
and time taking to build an MVP.

Today, it's so much easier and faster in
most cases to build an MVP really quickly.

So it's a very good reminder
that you don't have to go, build

everything only to realize that,
hey, this is not what my buyers need.

Yang Cheung: Yes, exactly, and launch
quickly, to learn and then pivot.

Be able to pivot quickly.

So that's really important.

Like you said, our app, my co-founder
and I actually designed the app and

we built it on a no-code platform.

So our engineer, the reason we are able
to have part-time engineer, not just

because they're friends, they are awesome.

They're really experienced engineers,
but because we built, the prototype

that generated code, so all they do is
knit it together, with the backend code.

Prateek Panda: That's awesome and
that's, you know, amazing use case of AI.

And talking about use cases of AI,
you spoke a little bit about one of

the things you're trying to do is, do
some sort of transformation where, you

know, parents upload messy artwork or
you know, wrinkle pictures and so on.

How did you go about incorporating AI
into your system to help solve this?

Yang Cheung: Yeah.

So when we first started, I
didn't think about, how to,

what technology to incorporate.

I didn't think about AI to begin with,
to be honest, because I thought it

is a very simple platform in concept.

But then when we start having customers
uploading their art, they're actually

asking us, my art has this shadow and
the picture is taken with a piece of

white paper on a, you know, dark surface.

It doesn't look good.

Can you help me remove this, remove that.

So that's the customer requirement.

So I thought, okay, how do I do that?

We, there's so many AI tools nowadays,
and to be honest, not a single one

fits into, can handle all of the
nuances of the artwork that we have.

Prateek Panda: Hmm,

Yang Cheung: especially when
parents take a picture, usually

it's not a, a standard rectangle.

So, because of that, putting
that non-standard rectangle

onto a water bottle, which has
a a 3D shape is very difficult.

So, we ended up having to manually
do a lot of those, Photoshop work

and then run it through AI model,
feedback out, and then further do,

manual manipulation of the images.

So this, from this manual learning
process, we started figuring out what

model is the best for which scenario.

So, the different types of artwork,
we have to use a different technology,

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

I'm thinking that itself could
be a rather exciting tool to

throw out there, you know, yeah.

You, you've tested out so many others
that don't do a great job at particular

use cases, and I think it sounds great.

Yang Cheung: A hundred percent.

You know, the current AI models
are very good for, photos because

it is very easy to recognize.

But if we think about kids
drawings, it can be anything.

A scribble scrabble, kids can tell
you is its a polar bear, but it

looks nothing like a polar bear.

And then when, when, especially my son,

I don't have the, the right product here.

So my son draw, pencil
draw, a speeding cat.

So when we remove the background,
it's just a black and white pencil.

When we remove the background, it
actually removes the cat's body.

And so it is not just surround
the area surrounding the cat.

So we need algorithm to go from
the edge of the paper, goes in,

detect the pencil drawing, and
so it doesn't replace the inside.

So, you know, there's a
lot of artwork like that.

So that's where the complexity are.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

Thanks for sharing that.

One of the things that we do when
we start the episode is we usually

start with the journey of the
entrepreneur and where they've been.

In this case, we, I was really very
excited about, the product itself.

So we talked a lot about that.

But let's talk a little bit about you.

Can you tell us a little
bit about your background?

Where were you born?

What got you to New York now, and how
that has shaped your experiences and

your, strength as an entrepreneur?

Yang Cheung: Yes, definitely.

I was born in China and
I grew up until I was 18.

I wasn't considered a
good student in China.

I was average.

A nd then my parents
told me, you are smart.

Maybe it's the education
system that doesn't fit.

So, they got a big loan, and borrowed
money around and to send me to England.

So I studied in England, I lived there.

I loved the country.

I lived there for 10 years.

So I graduated from University of
Warwick, studied computer science and

then I joined, very luckily, I joined
Goldman Sachs at the investment bank.

So I worked in London for five years.

After I met my husband,
I moved over to New York.

And so I lived on three continent
as I proudly telling everyone.

And then after, so I worked at Goldman
Sachs first and then, moved to Tali

Pre Bond, which is now TPI Cap.

And so it's also another financial
corporation and then moved on to

Credit Suisse until I had the kids.

So after the kids are born,
I was ready to come back.

I luckily found a startup, so
that was my very first startup.

I found a startup.

I joined them as employee number three.

So we grow that startup for two years.

After that, I tried to co-found
a video live streaming company.

That's before TikTok got really popular.

But for various of reasons, I
had to exit from that startup.

And then I helped another
startup to go to market.

And then my very first
startup, the CEO called me.

He's been my mentor, as well.

So he called me, said, I'm
starting, one creation.

You wanna join me?

I saw, that's a great idea, Its
a consumer data privacy wallet.

So, I joined him and I feel
great working on data privacy,

protecting consumer's data.

So we did that for a few years and now
that company is on the way to exit.

So then I thought, what do I do next?

And I've always wanted to do
something with the kids are, so

that's when I started pixyit.

Prateek Panda: That is amazing.

See, you said you've spent time across
three continents and that's amazing.

And that gives us a lot of cultural
lessons as well on how to handle

people, different emotions and so on.

But at the same time,
it's hard to keep moving.

I've also moved around a lot.

I, till I was 24, 25, I lived in India and
then I moved to Singapore for two to three

years, and then I moved to California
for seven, and now I'm in Canada.

So I've moved around and with every
time that you move, you also have to

sort of rebuild your support system,
your ecosystem around you from scratch.

In your experience, you know, a lot of
immigrant founders obviously want to

come to the US different parts of the US.

What would you tell fellow immigrant
founders about navigating startup

life as they leave behind their
home and family and, you know,

move to the US to build something?

Yang Cheung: Oh my gosh, it is very hard.

Even as an entrepreneur, living here and
build a startup is already something.

It's not, startup founder
life is not for everyone.

It is for the resilient founders.

So, that's why being a immigrant
founder, I just realized I didn't

answer your previous question.

Because we are immigrant, we have to move
completely to a different country to adapt

quickly, learn the culture over there,
learn how to communicate with people.

We are already resilient.

We were on our own, fighting our way
out and getting into the industry,

because of the soft skills that we have.

We're very lucky.

That's also the soft skill that
a startup founder needs to have.

Not afraid of things.

When there's a challenge, we find
different ways to solve it and solve

it quickly, and then we adopt quickly.

So that's some skillset that's
very unique to immigrants.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

Yeah.

I absolutely agree with you.

I think there is some sense of
resilience that we bring with ourselves.

I feel like another thing that you
might resonate with as well is there's

also a different Asian culture which
is it doesn't allow us to fail as

much, which is both good and bad.

Good part is that it makes us more
resilient and it, you know, we push

ourselves beyond limits sometimes doesn't
work in our favor because we don't give

ourselves enough room to make mistakes.

Because, you know, back at home also it
was like, yeah, you cannot make mistakes.

Whatever you do, you
have to be successful.

So, that makes, life a little bit harder.

But I think it starts
building resilience early on.

Yang Cheung: That's true.

And also, you know, the, the way we
grew up is actually very similar.

Our parents will push us and will
compare us with, Hey, why don't you

become a doctor or become a lawyer?

That's what my parents always say.

But why don't, why do we have
to compare with others when

we ourselves are progressing.

Comparing with us one year
ago, we are already up there.

We are making progress and that's enough.

And this is what I'm teaching my kids too.

A, a bit of pressure is good,
but too much pressure is

actually going the opposite way.

As long as we are making progress,
every single day, and when there's

a, we, of course we'll make mistakes,
but when there's mistakes, we need

to realize it, and then we need to
fix it, and so it doesn't happen

again, then that's another progress.

So we constantly go upward.

Prateek Panda: And it's amazing
how you said that, that's what

you're teaching your kids.

It applies to all of us as founders
also who are building products.

A lot of times, we either have too much
of a tunnel vision or narrow vision where

we don't care about anything outside
or sometimes we are so obsessed about.

What anybody else is doing that we are not
able to focus on what we should be doing.

You are in New York and there are a
million ways somebody could be distracted.

How do you try to stay focused
on the path but also not let,

there are so many amazing journeys
of founders in New York, right?

It's easy to get influenced,
it's easy to get depressed.

How do you manage to keep on the path?

Yang Cheung: I do get depressed.

When I do get depressed, I
think I try to think positively.

So we also, we need to keep reminding
ourselves what's more important.

Life is so short, we need to enjoy life.

I actually, with my earlier startups,
I got into this dark zone where I have

family, but I rarely see them, you
know, it is not a healthy mindset.

It's not healthy for any founder.

It actually is pretty bad for the
business too, because I was extremely

negative and that affects my ability
to come out of my box and think out

of my box and, you know, think about
how to grow the business, creatively.

Now with pixyit, because I've learned
from the past the dark experience, now

I know how do I balance my work life.

I don't actually balance
it, it is mingled together.

My family's always priority number one,
no matter what, and then my schedule

of pixyit is around the family time.

So on the weekend, for
example, I don't work.

I try not to work.

I spend quality family time
unless it's a pixyit event,

but it's for kids anyways, fun.

Yeah, so, going back to, to
the conversation, how do I

avoid getting being depressed?

We need to constantly tell ourselves, like
you mentioned, failure is very common.

We've got to fail.

And when we're, when we feel
stuck, maybe it's time to talk

to others, 'cause building a
company is not a one person job.

It needs a village.

We have to surround ourselves with
co-founders, colleagues, advisors,

board members, the investors, any
kind of support that we can get.

And need to go out there.

Keeping everything on
my own does not help.

Prateek Panda: That is amazing
advice and thank you so much Yang,

for sharing that candidly, right?

Like even being able to honestly say
that yes, there are difficult times

and there are dark days and you, you
still have to come out of it, right?

So, thank you so much for sort
of acknowledging and sharing that.

Yang Cheung: One thing to add is needs
to be very firm on the company's mission.

What is the mission?

So whatever I pivot or I do should
not be outside of the mission.

I actually got carried away briefly.

Even with pixyit, I get carried away
because there are so many ideas.

But then when I feel like I'm off the
path, I always think, what is my mission?

What am I trying to achieve with
pixyit, it always drags me back.

Prateek Panda: That is great
advice because we all succumb

to the shiny object syndrome.

Something new comes up and
we all want to chase that.

Right.

And it's very easy to get distracted
in today's world especially.

So yeah, that's great advice to keep
revisiting your mission and every

time you have to take a new decision.

See if it still aligns with the vision.

Yang Cheung: Yes.

Prateek Panda: That's awesome.

So as we get closer to
the end of this recording,

I want to ask you some slightly lighter
fun, questions, more rapid fire style.

So, if pixyit had a
mascot, what would it be?

Yang Cheung: Oh, there's a little
magic creator called Pixee.

So,

Prateek Panda: Oh, is it!

Yang Cheung: Pixee, yeah, I think
it's Irish, little magic creature.

I'm a big Harry Potter fan and
there's a little flying creature.

So that would be my mascot.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

Okay, so what's your favorite sort
of no budget growth hack that you

think every founder should try?

Yang Cheung: Low budget,
no budget growth hack.

Try to do things on your own,
and find, help offer equity.

Prateek Panda: Yeah.

That's awesome.

So beyond pixyit itself, you've done
some amazing AI innovation work there.

What are other innovative things in the
AI space that you are very excited about?

Yang Cheung: Ethical AI, is
something I, I've, actually, I was

involved in women in AI for a while.

So I followed, AI trends and how
organizations are using AI responsibly,

especially how they use data.

Because my previous startup is
in the data privacy world, so I'm

very, enthusiastic about, data
protection, and feeding AI model, the

unbiased, AI data, but quality data.

Prateek Panda: Yeah, that's amazing.

And it gives me an opportunity to
do a shameless plug of my day job

where I had marketing for Tonic.

And that's one of the things we try to
do because there is so much data being

fed into AI systems now, without taking
really good care about privacy and

ethical AI is going to be a big thing.

So Tonic helps you basically de-identify
a lot of this data and prepare it to

be fed into LLM models and for model
training and so many other, objectives.

So, great.

Thanks for sharing that.

Last question.

If you could go out to lunch with anybody
in the world, who would it be and why?

Yang Cheung: Actually, I'm looking for
this particular board member, that's a

successful business person, but also very
big in philanthropy, in helping children.

I am yet to identify such a person, but
once I identify that perfect person, I

would love to go out for lunch with him.

The reason I say him, because
his name just popped out in

my head, is Michael Bloomberg.

Prateek Panda: Oh yeah.

And he is in your city,
so, you can chase him down.

That's amazing.

Thank you so much for sharing that Yang.

As we sign off, any last piece
of advice for all the founders

listening to your story?

Yang Cheung: Any advice,
keep going for it.

Follow your guts, but
follow your mission.

Prateek Panda: That's amazing.

Yang.

Thank you so much for taking our time.

This was a very, very fun conversation
with a lot of learning baked

into it, almost kid style, right?

So, you have to teach with the fun in it.

So, you did an amazing job.

Thank you so much.

Yang Cheung: Thank you so
much for having me, Prateek.

Prateek Panda: And that
wraps up today's episode.

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